so, you are already submixing your dums to the house.
if the other guitars and bass are not miking the cabs or sending a direct line out from the amp to the board then there is really nothing you can do. You could suggest having the bass player run a direct line out of his amp to your mixer and pan it so to only go into your ear mix and not to the house with your drum feed.
Yep, submixing drums to house and intend to do what you've described. I was just wondering if you would have encouraged everybody to try and get into the Mackie for best results. Hypothetically speaking of course lets just say there is a guitar that I don't need (want) to hear. Not taking a main mix and creating my own via the HM6 would be better yeah?
well, see i would create a sub/aux mix from the board nd send it to my headphone/submixer to ears mix.
Of course I would suggest putting a mic on the guitar amps and running a direct out from the bass. This way you can control the overall sound of the band thru the mains and 'hopefully' control stage volume! LOL
The only bad part about being the only one in the band listening to the click...is that you're the only one listening to the click. So, you could expect some timing conflicts in that regard. Another way to go is to create a musical sounding click that will sound good to an audience, such as a shaker, cowbell, woodblock etc. pattern.
The craziest "click" that I ever played to live was a pattern of hand claps where nothing was on the beat, everything was mostly on the e's or ah's.
When I saw Vinnie with Faith Hill, they had click running through the in ears. Vinnie even let me hear his mix which was really bass and kick drum heavy. It's always interesting checking that out.
There was a Hass thread back a few months ago, where I reviewed a few of his gigs here in NYC and he played to click on all of them. He was the only one listening to it, he would count off all the tunes. It was a Tama rhythm watch going straight into his in-ears. There were no time conflicts whatsoever with the musicians. Then again, great musicians know how to listen and hook up with a drummer. Go to Hass' board and ask him about that Gary. He's good with responses.
I also saw Shawn Pelton doing the same thing. Monitors, click in the ear. If you do that on every gig, it must do wonders for your time consistency after a few months. I wonder....
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I second that. If you have to do it.. Another way to go is to create a musical sounding click that will sound good to an audience, such as a shaker, cowbell, woodblock etc. pattern.
I really don't like the idea of playing to the click live -- I realize people do it, but it just goes against my thinking. I know how to keep time -- I'm not a great chop drummer, but I can keep time.
I can understand it in a recording studio, but in a club, boy I don't know.
In my top40 band we play all songs with click since there are sequencerparts in all songs. I use the TD-6 from Roland and have for each song the tempo's set which I start/stop on my pole-KAT with additional sounds on two Roland pads next to my acoustic equipment. I master the sequencer via MIDI with a count in of 2 bars before it starts. My sounds are all on the left and my click panned to the right which are both channeled via a DI box to the monitormixer. We have 16 channels and we can all make our own mix which we can hear in our in-ear system. I don't think it is an advantage if all the bandmembers have the click because everyone interpret it different. I also think that hearing the click via one (I preffered two) floormonitors is fighting against frequencies. You will turn the volume up to dangerous damaging levels at the end of the gig because your ears get used to the level. I have ultimate ears three-way in-ears and before that I started with a Sony headphone in a Behringer mixer. The monitormix line came in as also my click but with a sub behind me for bassdrum. Since the in-ears it isn't necessary anymore. I am happy and never have ringing ears after a gig. Maybe this info helps you. JP
ei guys just a suggestion... I heard someone does his "live click set up" to ear monitors w/ the rest of the Band also, I guess it makes sense considering all of you would know where the tempo is [img]smile.gif[/img]
I agree with using a percussion sound playing a rhythm part (yes, if you have to use it. I feel clicks can be too confining and dictatorial live). It's much more of a musical thing. If all you hear all night is that static click, it can eventually drive you mad.
If you are playing to sequences, simply add some percussion to the sequence; there's your click.
Use as little gear as you can get away with if you really have to go this route. From experience, the more you have to screw with the greater chance that Murphy's Law will bite you in the ass. I fired my electronics three years ago and I've never been happier (I'm only using a Mackie and mics now).
If there's a time problem in the band the very best remedy is for all band members to practice using a click and everyone shares the responsibility equally. If the drummer is the only one with good time and everyone else's sucks then all the clicks in the world won't fix it. The drummer's job is not to keep time but make the time feel good. It's everybody's job to keep time (listen to bluegrass bands and ethnic ensembles sans percussion).
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sharing the click on stage with a full band is HELL. Don't EVEN think about it.Originally posted by tradfreak:
ei guys just a suggestion... I heard someone does his "live click set up" to ear monitors w/ the rest of the Band also, I guess it makes sense considering all of you would know where the tempo is [img]smile.gif[/img]
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